Questions for Egyptians about Berbers?

Question

1)Do Egyptians view Berbers as blood(biological) brothers?---more so than they see Yemenis /Qataris/Saudis(true Arabs)?

2)Are Egyptians sympathetic to Berbers in their struggle against Arabism?

3)Are Egyptians as proud of their Pharaonic ancestors as Berbers are proud of Numidian roots?

4)Are Egyptians aware of Berbers' foundational contributions to Egyptian medieval civilization(Fatimid dynasty, elite warriors--Bab Zuweila gate, etc.)?

5)Berbers would like to drop Arabic and primarily speak their native language(Tamazight) someday. Do Egyptians want to speak Egyptian(Coptic, Demotic, etc.) someday?

6)Is it religion or is it genetics/history that is of primary concern to Egyptians(Copts and Muslims) these days? Which one supersedes the other?

7)Is Zinedine Zidane popular in Egypt at all?

Answer 1

1) Most Egyptians are unimaginably ignorant of anything outside the Arab-Muslim narrative of history. To them the Berbers were a bunch of desert barbarian pagans who killed poor Uqba ibn Nafi.



It used to be (in the 1920s) that Egyptians saw themselves as distinct and "Pharaonism" was popular, but with the turdification of the country by Arabism and Islamism since then, they just see themselves as other Arabs.



I would say the Egyptians are ignorant of the Berbers as a modern race (I prefer Imazighen instead of Berbers) and view all the peoples of the Middle East as "Arab brothers."



Genetically speaking, Egyptians have the closest affinity to the Imazighen. After that, they have some genetic affinity with Western Asian populations (not necessarily Arabs). After that, a little genetic affinity with southern Europeans. Egyptians and their "Arab brothers" in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. are quite different and you can easily tell a peninsular Arab from an Egyptian.



2. Considering that the average Egyptian believes himself to be an Arab, no. Egyptians aren't even sympathetic with other Egyptians' rejection of Arabism. Lol.



I am very sympathetic with the Imazighen and their cause, especially with Kabylia. What's not to respect? These people actually preserved their original language (unlike the Egyptians), they never lost their pre-Islamic ethnic, historical, and cultural identity (unlike the Egyptians) and they're actually fighting, politically and ideologically, for their heritage. They even have public statues of their ancient leaders who fought the Arab invader. Compare that with how easily the Egyptians were conquered, and reprogrammed. It's pathetic. Even Iranians respect their pre-Islamic history more than Egyptians, lol.



3. They're proud to claim the ancients, but they don't deserve such a heritage. First, they never did **** for it. If it weren't for French, British, Germans, Italians, etc. we would not know anything about ancient Egypt whatsoever. Second, they spit on their heritage. They think their ancestors were pagans who are rotting in hell. I actually met more than one Egyptian who said Egypt's problems are because Allah is still punishing it for what "Pharaoh" did to Moses. The Coptic language is the closest you'll ever find to ancient Egyptian, and Coptic rites and rituals, the Coptic calendar, etc. all have strong ancient Egyptian influences. But the average Egyptian sees Christians as aliens. Third, they forgot who they were. They let themselves be supplanted with a foreign religion, language, culture. No Egyptian even has any idea that there were bloody revolts against the Arabs. I see myself as a very different kind of Egyptian. I know what Egypt really is.



4. I wouldn't say so.



5. You greatly overestimate how cultured and informed Egyptians are. The average Egyptian believes Arabic is the only divine language, as the Qur'an says (the Qur'an that uses hundreds of Persian loanwords, lol). The average Egyptian knows as much about Coptic as he does about turbine engines. The Imazighen kept Tamazight very much alive all those centuries, but Coptic is a completely dead, liturgical language. The only people who know it are Coptic priests.



6. For Muslims religion, 100%. But religiosity is starting to weaken, albeit slightly, with the shock and trauma of Egypt's experiment with Islamic rule, and there is a little bit of new acceptance for different ideas. For Copts, religion, genetics and history are one and the same. Their calendar, church rites, language, culture, identity, etc. are all very ancient, with many pre-Christian origins. It would be interesting to see a revival of Pharaonism among Muslim Egyptians.



7. Yeah.

Answer 2

1) It is a fact that we are more genetically related to the North Africans than the Arabs. But, culturally we are closer to the Arabs of the Levant.



2) Of course not.



3) I couldn't be more proud to be a descendant of the ancient Egyptians.



4) Well, I am aware of that, but sadly you can't say the same about the majority of other Egyptians.



5) While I would like us to revive Coptic, but I think it would be moronic to try to bring it back as an official language in a country of 90 mil Arabic speakers.



6) Islam is the primary concern. Islam is not new in this country, it has been there for 1400 years. So, I think you can say both.



7) Kind of.

Answer 3

Most North Africans including Egyptians are Berber by ethnicity, and Arab by culture only, working with some Egyptians and going to college in London with some too, all said they were not Arab's they were Africans, some were part Black African, others were just pure North African Egyptian.



There has been little mixture with Arabs of the middle east in North Africa, the Arabs mixed with people from the Horn of Africa more than they did with North Africans genetically, most DNA tests show a European origin for Berber people of North Africa/West Africa.



Some people argue that modern Egyptians have little resemblance to the ancient Egyptians of the Pyramids, due to the first Egyptian dynasties sculptures having Black African features, rather than the Caucasoid features of most unmixed modern Egyptians, in truth most western historians agree that there was a Black original civilization that created ancient Egypt, that later became more mixed and later Greek.



Egypt was close to other North African caliphates and also run by Mamluk dynasty for a while

Answer 4

To sum up everything my fellow Egyptians said, I would like to add one last point to justify why all of this happened to Egyptians.. When 60% of the population is below the poverty line, things like this happen. Egyptians have become unbelievably ignorant and oblivious of anything other than their lives.



I read about Imazighen or Amazigh as we call them in Arabic. I have always respected your preservation of your heritage and culture. Egyptians have lost their identity. They know nothing about the Fatamid dynasty, not even the simplest fact that the Fatamids are the ones who established Al-Azhar Al-Sharif in Egypt.



I have Moroccan origins from my mother's side by the way. I always wanted to know if I'm of Imazighen descent or not. Maybe you can help me. My great grandfather is from El-Sabbaan family, Ahmed El-Sabbaan is his name. He immigrated to Egypt for some unknown reason. I always wanted to know why he did so, and where he came from exactly. But unfortunately, my grandparents could careless about their heritage and descent. But i do...



I would really appreciate it if you help me by emailing me :)

Answer 5

1-no

2-not me

3-no

4-no

5-politics thus religion

6-yes



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Answer 6

no

not me

yes

no

politics thus religion

yes



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Answer 7

Man, WE ARE ARABS!! FACE IT!!!!